Sara Eisen (Co-anchor of Squawk on the Street) 00:00.190
joining us now bill kirk senior research analyst at roth capital partners bill it's great to have you on and let's start right there because we're not talking about good old fashioned foot traffic at the mall on the weekends you're talking about app downloads how meaningful is
Sara Eisen (Co-anchor of Squawk on the Street) 00:11.990
this data and why well
Bill Kirk (Senior Research Analyst) 00:14.190
thanks for having me i think some some of what you see is the old fashioned stuff it is the the companies and the retailers that have the best convenience that are getting the downloads and yes it might not be you know a willingness to wait for delivery times but you can use the
Bill Kirk (Senior Research Analyst) 00:30.750
app for in store pickup so if you're a last minute shopper and you want to make sure you get the product a really good way is to use the walmart app use the target app select in store pickup and that way you don't have to risk the delivery times at this point so last minute
Bill Kirk (Senior Research Analyst) 00:45.390
shoppers are flocking to the app some of it is probably for in store pickup and your point walmart still very very strong walmart has been strong for a while it was very strong last year as well but target is really the one that's picked up in the last few weeks it's done much
Bill Kirk (Senior Research Analyst) 00:59.590
better in kind of the the shoppers minds or you know in their consideration set from black friday on and it's it's reached the number three spot in total app downloads a spot it hasn't held at all this year so very timely to be in in customers minds
Sara Eisen (Co-anchor of Squawk on the Street) 01:16.230
yeah target 's had a rough year it's had a rough arguably a rough couple of years here you've got a neutral rating does this change your thesis on target
Bill Kirk (Senior Research Analyst) 01:23.870
so the the target call here would be tactical it would be they might be having a nice holiday season they started with commentary in three Q so back in november they gave commentary that their toys were up about ten percent that is a very good way to start the holiday season and
Bill Kirk (Senior Research Analyst) 01:40.710
the app downloads have been strong since our issue with target is a bit more structural and a bit longer term we think they're behind on investment spending their their price points are a little too high for some of their assortment as well so we think calendar twenty twenty six
Bill Kirk (Senior Research Analyst) 01:56.230
after what could be a strong holiday season you're going to have increased spending needs for target which is earnings risk for target
Michael Santoli (Senior Markets Commentator) 02:03.710
and bill now i know you've been negative at least as of recently on costco they don't really show up that well in these app download numbers that you mentioned and it's always been an expensive stock but what do you say to folks who who argue that you know it's kind of unwound
Michael Santoli (Senior Markets Commentator) 02:18.110
that really huge ramp in its valuation that we had you know last year and into this year and it's kind of trading back to where it always has and it's generally been you know sort of reliable even in a a value centric consumer environment
Bill Kirk (Senior Research Analyst) 02:32.750
it's a fair place to start and that's that's kind of where we started it doesn't underperform too many consecutive years right that's very rare for costco to underperform two years in a row and that's what it would take for our our call to be right here but what's happening at
Bill Kirk (Senior Research Analyst) 02:45.870
costco is is a lot of metrics are going the wrong way at the same time renewal rates have faded a little bit incremental members members added aren't as robust as it's been and traffic is slowed and when i think about what what costco does and what costco does very well is
Bill Kirk (Senior Research Analyst) 03:00.910
they're they're better than every other retailer offering value the parameters that consumers care about value is one of them it's convenience plus value walmart 's doing both walmart does both very well costco does one of the two parameters very well and that's been perfect
Bill Kirk (Senior Research Analyst) 03:17.150
during times of high food inflation being the best value oriented retailer that one for costco but now with food inflation at lower levels and it's been at lower levels for a little bit people or at least incrementally shift a little bit away from value and a little bit toward
Bill Kirk (Senior Research Analyst) 03:33.390
convenience and that's i think the structural problem at costco is they're only offering one of the two parameters and the convenience part which they don't do as well is becoming more important is
Michael Santoli (Senior Markets Commentator) 03:44.550
is some of the the weakness in costco is it picking up small business activity to some degree i know that is a piece of their of their consumer side it
Bill Kirk (Senior Research Analyst) 03:55.630
is i mean they they do a very good job they have they have great assortment they have unique assortment they can kind of hit a lot of different consumers but as things like walmart dot com become more pervasive with third party sellers right walmart dot com all of a sudden can
Bill Kirk (Senior Research Analyst) 04:11.630
have a endless aisle right endless assortment assortment that can overlap with costco better than the walmart physical stores could for generations so you're getting increased assortment overlap between walmart using walmart dot com and what costco can offer